before they go out to interview. The oral history begins with a preliminary interview with the subject. The interviewer then listens to the tape and sends the interviewee an outline of topics to be discussed in more detail in the following interview. "Some of the elder people are self-conscious, especially with a tape recorder in front of them," Colley said. "Sometimes they cannot remember incidents, but don't want to appear senile."

The persons who are usually the best to interview are people who are used to expressing themselves either orally or in writing. Most people are flattered that they are asked to be interviewed and flattered that their opinions will be part of the record. Occasionally, people will refer Colley to a 95 year old whose mind is sharp as a tack. "That usually means that the person has been telling those stories for the last 60 years and the stories get better every year," he said. "But a George Luhrs makes it all worth while." Luhrs was born in 1895 in the Hotel Luhrs and has a "brilliant, encyclopedic" memory for names, dates and places associated with Phoenix, Colley said. George Luhrs, Jr. recorded more than seventeen tapes for Mr. Colley which are a part of the Luhrs history, which have been turned over to Arizona State University.

On May 16th, 1980, George, Jr. and his niece, Jean Stroud Crane, took the T.W.A. plane to San Francisco, California. Jack Cromer and his wife met the plane. Jack Cromer worked for the Luhrs Properties many years ago as an elevator operator in

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